html - How does the margin collapsing of parent and first/last child work?

Question

MDN says:

If there is no border, padding, inline content, or clearance to separate the margin-top of a block with the margin-top of its first child block, or no border, padding, inline content, height, min-height, or max-height to separate the margin-bottom of a block with the margin-bottom of its last child, then those margins collapse. The collapsed margin ends up outside the parent.

I don't understand the last sentence. Why does the collapsed margin end up outside the parent? If it ends up outside the parent, where will it go? I have searched the web and read several tutorials about margin collapsing, but I didn't find anything about this.

Answer 1

I threw together this little demo to help demonstrate the way this works:

http://jsfiddle.net/9pq8bm0o/

As you can see, I've made three elements, all nested within each other. The 2 inner containers both have a top margin value of 20px, and the outermost container has a top border (one of the things that is considered a margin separator).

So what does this mean?

Because there is no separation at the top of the two child elements, there is only 20px of space in between the outermost container and BOTH of the two child elements... the inner-most child has had it's margin collapse. Conversely, that margin that is there exists within the outermost container simply because of that border.. if you remove the border, all three elements will share the same 20px of margin which will be outside of all three containers.

So why is it like this?

The best way to think about margin collapsing is like this: Asking for a margin on an element will ensure that it has that much margin at it's top, and nothing more (unless it's forced to have more).. So looking at my example, Does the middle .parent element have 20px of space above it? Yes, it does. Does the innermost child .child have 20px of space above it? Yes, it also does... so the margin rule is being applied correctly. It doesn't matter where that space lives, as long as it is there.

Imagine that there was a border around the .parent element, but the margin was still displayed the way it is without, and then ask those same questions.. Does the .parent element have the space? Yes, but does the .child element? No, it no longer would, because there would not be 20px of space in between it and the border that is now sitting above it... So, in reality, the space does not collapse, so that both of those questions can be answered as a "yes".

I hope that helps.. it's a little less of a direct answer to your question, and more of the theory behind how it works, so to put things a bit more plainly:

tl;dr

Margin, unlike padding, is meant to add space outside of elements. Because of this, margin will always collapse to the highest parent element whenever possible, to ensure that space is always "outside". Because it is outside of the element, it can count towards multiple different elements, as they all share that "outside" space.